Day 3 – North and South and Bloomsbury

Today we took a walking tour of Bloomsbury – a more upper class area of London.  Since we just toured the extreme opposite of living environments yesterday in South Wark, it was shocking to visit such a drastically different area in close proximity.  The buildings in Bloomsbury are immaculate, much taller, and built with what seems like better materials.  We walked through many parks in Bloomsbury, yet in South Wark, it seemed like there were close to zero.  By being able to physically witness these disparities through the walking tours, it is easier to identify the great gap in between the lower and upper classes in North and South that Gaskell represents.

Also, our class discussion centered around the topic of gender in North and South.  Our discussion opened my eyes to how interesting Margaret is for a female of her time period.  I particularily enjoyed talking about the “2 1/2” proposals, paying close attention to the detailed action and description of the text.  For example, when Henry Lennox proposes, he takes “sudden possession of her hand,” presumably in order to gain some kind of influence or power over her answer (Gaskell 30).

Day three

Today’s Tour was very interesting, though I didn’t think that the suicide notes were funny. There are way too many deaths by suicide then and even now which shows us that it is important how we treat one another, no matter who you are or where you are in life. I think we take these things with a grain of salt when really people are committing suicide every few minutes.

To to tie this up with writing, well, I for one think that writing is one of the best ways to express yourself. Diaries are important and they help me to elevate my mind. When I can’t find the words to speak, I can usually write down what I feel. I think it’s important to write down and track things daily because you never know where they may end up.

lastly, I was surprised to find out about Virginia Wolf’s stressful life, but then I remember that she was just another human being dealing with the stress of life in her own way. But one of the best ways to solve problems is to let the pain bleed through the ink of your pen. And through her stories and her various characters, we can see how Wolf is able to turn her own problems into characters that deal with some of the things she may have dealt with, but could not express to others..

i think that that most authors have an underlying motive and a message and its up to the readers to discover it!

So far I’m enjoying unfolding these stories through our discussions because there have been so many hidden messages that I have overlooked! This encourages me to get a deeper understanding of everything I read, and to not just “read it” because it was assigned for class.

 

thank you!

 

 

Day 3–North &South

What I found most interesting about the discussion today was Margaret’s role throughout the novel as an intermediary. Because Margaret is surrounded by mostly ineffectual people she is often running interference between two characters, delivering unsavory news usually. The reason this interests me is because it exemplifies how Margaret wields power through ways that are considered traditionally feminine. Taking charge and getting things done are read as masculine traits and Margaret does this with delivering the moving news to her mother, keeping secrets for her mother, and delivering death news. However, the spreading of information (chatting, gossiping, so forth) are “feminine” pastimes and so is the comfort necessary after the giving/sometimes receiving of information. Margaret uses the status of being a woman intelligently to wield power creatively which is what I feel makes her an interesting heroine.

The Bloomsbury Tour & North and South

I really enjoyed today’s tour, mainly because the weather was better than the others! The main reason why I found it fascinating is the tour guide mixed the Bloomsbury writers with the other prominent people of that day so well. I enjoyed learning the dirty little secrets of all the writers and I couldn’t help but compare them to our society today. They are just like the free spirited writers we see in literature now days. And yet in a time when scandalous actions were frowned upon, the Bloomsbury writers could careless! Also the tour around this part of London was more uplifting than the Darkest Victorian tour.

As for the discussion this morning, I liked hearing more on how the role of women and men were so strict with the upper class. Margaret is one of those heroine characters I can’t help but compare to modern heroines. First to come to mind is Tris from the Divergent series. Both come from such fixed normed societies and they break these rules without much thought processing. Tris does this a lot faster, but the point is that the heroine takes action and never just allows society control her life.

 

North and South, Day 2, Cashwell

I was so impressed with the tour today! I always knew that the population of London   has had to endure horrendous impoverishment, but I didn’t know the full extent of it in terms of hygiene and health (except for the Bubonic Plague of course). I love how we were told about the different signs of wealth like the color of brick or the location of the railways. Some of the things our tour guide told us about the drinking water and sewage made me gag, and I’m surprised that Gaskell doesn’t provide more description of the poverty in her novel, especially considering the amount of dialogue and imagery. I feel like the poverty is something that would catch the attention of young readers more. Instead of plowing through the “pointless” description, they would be more engaged with the material while also learning more about the history of London. Another thing I want to talk about is the class issue. Gaskell beautifully lays out how class is divided up and how they both need each other but refuse to compromise. to provide contrast to this argument, I think it was you (McLeod) who said it perfectly: “The workers can run the factories without the master, but the masters can’t run the factories without the workers.” Using this as a jump off, I would argue that the rich want to keep the poor in the ghettos so they don’t lower the market value of the rich neighborhoods. Like you said before our Brick Lane tour, the East end (brick lane) neighborhood is dirtier with more trash on the streets and is just less aesthetically pleasing altogether. However, the prices for homes, land, and business spaces are going to stay low in that neighborhood while the other sides of London (not all) will stay high. London wants to keep what we know as the color-line in tact. The rich want to keep the drugs and railways in the slums, and it will probably stay that way for quite some time.

North and South: The Class Line

I think Gaskell explains the class systems in the Victorian period very well in North and South. The characters that represent each class stay within their system they were born into and on the rare occasion they rise above. Thornton was the odd exception to this rule, being a man who made his own fortune. I love that Gaskell put in a character like him because it changes how people today see the class system back then. The majority knows how the system works and that it was nearly impossible to move class ranks, but it was capable. Thornton to me was a light of hope in the beginning, being the strong man he is, but he lost his business from a lack of understanding the wealth in people. His workers were the reason his mill kept afloat, and when he replaced them with the Irish the failure was on his hands. Those hands were his skilled workers not just mindless bums off the street. The workers are the ones with all the true power, not the master. I don’t believe labor unions are the most efficient solution for corrupt masters; further education is the solution. Gaskell doesn’t reveal this as being a solution, but her books were educating the upper class. Furthering knowledge to all people will only continue to raise a society. Cheers to Gaskell!!!

Day Two

Today’s discussion helped me appreciate Gaskell’s craft so much more. She is truly a skilled writer. It takes a lot to really understand the message of her writing. I didn’t really understand why this book was chosen until today. I realize that it is not just another Victorian romance. Gaskell’s desire to raise awareness within her own community is so powerful.

My favorite part was the use of the words “hands” to describe the servants. It makes me appreciate being a hand or lending a hand even more. Why? Because I know that people depend on me. The hand is arguably the most important part. While the servants were the “hands,” Mr. Thornton served as the arm. He held the hands together because the hands would be useless without the arm of the business. To me, Margarett is the elbow joints. She has the power to move the arms  which will then determine the way the hands move. I love how she was able to tug at Mr. Thortons heart literally throughout the book. She helped Mr. Thorton to realize the significance of the hands, the arms, as well as the joints that all work together to create a powerful movement.

Victorian Similarities in Contemporary Fiction

So while we were talking about North and South today in class I brought up a few times how much the story seemed to be using a stereotypical Victorian storyline in order to make a larger point. Just to reiderate, I mean this in the way that there are so many Victorian novels that are written by women in which a marriage plot is involved.  Which made a lot more sense when Katie explained that it was almost essential for a woman to include this portion in the story because otherwise it wouldn’t sell or she would be shunned. However, within this novel, there are so many social and class themes woven in as well. In my head I kept comparing this to modern works, most often that of something like The Hunger Games. It seems like kind of a stretch, but if you read the novels they very much fit the popular theme of young adult dystopian future novels, which are extremely popular right now and hence sell. However, I believe an argument can be made that these novels also have a very political undercurrent involved in them between the popular seller themes and the romance themes. So I find it interesting that women writers today are using similar formulas to not only sell novels and hence make a living, but that they are able to weave in controversial issues that affect the society at large but present it to the public in a well liked book that evokes empathy more than a political upheaval.

Day 2–North & South

The Darkest Victorian London tour we went on today was extremely fascinating. I was appalled at both the living and working conditions of the lower classes in the Victorian era; I always knew there was a class disparity but the information we were given about poor people living 150 people to one house and having to work almost exclusively in life-risking labor shifted my perspective on how large the disparity was. It also made me enjoy Glaskell’s North & South as a political commentary as we discussed today in class. I had initially felt bogged down by the lengthy economic explanations but after realizing their purpose of both informing readers of economic theory as well as showing her own knowledge of it I was glad this novel was written that way. North & South was written to catch the interest of upper and middle class people with a traditional Victorian love story and (intially) heroine and uses the opportunity to get the ball rolling on a social conversation about the abuses the poor suffered. I think that knowing and seeing the specifics of how horrible being in a lower class during this time was made me more appreciative of the fact that this treatment was addressed in the book and therefore made me more appreciative of the book as a whole.

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